de Hyde,  John I

de Hyde, John I

Male Abt 1245 - Aft 1317  (~ 73 years)

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  • Name de Hyde, John  [1, 2
    Suffix
    Born Abt 1245  Norbury, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Gender Male 
    Died Aft 1317 
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    Father de Hyde, Robert II,   b. Abt 1219, Hyde, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Abt 1290, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age ~ 71 years) 
    Relationship natural 
    Mother Stokeport, Margery,   b. Abt 1223, Stockport, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Relationship Stepchild 
    Married Abt 1244  Stockport, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Family ID F2205  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family de Baggilegh, Ellen,   b. Abt 1249, Baggilegh, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1358  (Age ~ 110 years) 
    Married Abt 1270  Baggilegh, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
    +1. de Hyde, John II,   b. Abt 1271, Norbury, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1364  (Age ~ 94 years)  [natural]
     2. Hyde, Richard,   b. Abt 1273, Norbury, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. Aft 1317  (Age ~ 45 years)  [natural]
     3. Hyde, William,   b. Abt 1275, Norbury, Cheshire, England Find all individuals with events at this location  [natural]
    Last Modified 1 Jan 2017 
    Family ID F2206  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - Abt 1245 - Norbury, Cheshire, England Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarried - Abt 1270 - Baggilegh, Cheshire, England Link to Google Earth
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  • Family Crest
    Hyde Family Crest
    Hyde Family Crest
    This most interesting surname is a variant of "Hide", which has two possible origins. Firstly, it may be a topographical surname for the "holder of a hide", which described someone who lived on and farmed a piece of land originally named as a "hide of land" from the Olde English pre 7th Century "hi(gi)d". A hide was quite a substantial amount for those days, varying from sixty to one hundred and twenty acres. It seems to have been originally fixed as the amount of land necessary to support one extended family, as the Olde English word for a household, "higan", would seem to suggest a common etymology with "hi(gi)d". The name may also be a variant of the personal feminine name "Ida", with the inorganic "h" usually added to names beginning with a vowel. Avice atte Hyde was recorded in 1296 in the Subsidy Rolls of Sussex. Interesting namebearers include Edward Hyde (1609 - 1674), first earl of Clarendon, who was a supporter of Charles 1 and became secretary of state, lord chancellor and chief advisor to Charles 11 at the Restoration. Edward Hyde, Esq. popularly known as Lord Cornbury, was appointed Captain General and Governor-in-Chief of New York in 1701. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Robert de la Hyda, which was dated 1188, in the "Pipe Rolls of Dorset", during the reign of King Henry 11, known as "The Builder of Churches", 1154 - 1189. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling

  • Notes 
    • "His heirs used the Baggiley coat of arms, inverting the colors and adding a chevron. He married 1st Margaret Davenport, daughter of Sir John Davenport, by whom he had John and Roger, who are mentioned in the settlements of the Manor of Norbury and Half of Hyde, who appear to have died without issue. (This is where the lineage as given in Ormerod disagrees with Burke, who makes this son John the next in the line instead of William. Ormerod says that this pedigree appears to be the first draft of a pedigree from deeds, and the compiler seems to have gotten into considerable confusion in consequence of this John having a son John. This lineage will continue from Ormerod and following will be a copy of lineage as given by Burke in the 1939 edition of the Landed Gentry. E. E. W.) John Hyde married 2nd Ellen Baggiley, daughter of Sir William Baggiley, Knight, Lord of Baggiley and sister and co-heiress of her brother John, who d. s. p. in 1356. The Bagilley arms were: Or three lozenges azure. The Wife of John Hyde is sometimes erroneously called Isabel, which was the name of her sister, who married Sir John Legh, her own name being probably Ellen, as that is the name given to her sister by mistake. On this Sir John Hyde was settled by Sir William Baggiley, in the 13th of Edward ll, 1320, "the manor of Hyde" meaning most probably the other moiety of Hyde, which afterwards passed to the other sister, but he nevertheless obtained several estates by this marriage, and his sons John and Roger, by his 1st Wife, are mentioned in the settlements of these estates 12th of Edward ll and 31st of Edward lll. By Ellen Baggiley he had William, mentioned in the last settlement (but not as the son of Margaret), Ralph, John, Thomas and Robert who married Elizabeth Staveley. (This Robert is given in the direct line in Burke. E. E. W.) Sir John Hyde served under the Black Prince 30th of Edward lll, 1356. "

  • Sources 
    1. [S254] Kin of Mellcene Thurman Smith - By Mellcene Thurman Smith.

    2. [S320] Neil Hyde hyde1776@msn. com.