de Hyde, John I

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Name de Hyde, John [1, 2] Suffix I Born Abt 1245 Norbury, Cheshire, England Gender Male Died Aft 1317 Person ID I6066 Sullivan Burgess Family Tree | Ancestors of Glenn Close, Ancestors of President Cleveland, Ancestors of President Fillmore, Ancestors of President Hayes Last Modified 15 Sep 2018
Father de Hyde, Robert II, b. Abt 1219, Hyde, Cheshire, England , d. Abt 1290, Cheshire, England
(Age ~ 71 years)
Relationship natural Mother Stokeport, Margery, b. Abt 1223, Stockport, Cheshire, England Relationship Stepchild Married Abt 1244 Stockport, Cheshire, England Family ID F2205 Group Sheet | Family Chart
Family de Baggilegh, Ellen, b. Abt 1249, Baggilegh, Cheshire, England , d. Aft 1358 (Age ~ 110 years)
Married Abt 1270 Baggilegh, Cheshire, England Children + 1. de Hyde, John II, b. Abt 1271, Norbury, Cheshire, England , d. Aft 1364 (Age ~ 94 years) [natural]
2. Hyde, Richard, b. Abt 1273, Norbury, Cheshire, England , d. Aft 1317 (Age ~ 45 years) [natural]
3. Hyde, William, b. Abt 1275, Norbury, Cheshire, England [natural]
Last Modified 15 Sep 2018 Family ID F2206 Group Sheet | Family Chart
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Family Crest Hyde Family Crest
This most interesting surname is a variant of "Hide", which has two possible origins. Firstly, it may be a topographical surname for the "holder of a hide", which described someone who lived on and farmed a piece of land originally named as a "hide of land" from the Olde English pre 7th Century "hi(gi)d". A hide was quite a substantial amount for those days, varying from sixty to one hundred and twenty acres. It seems to have been originally fixed as the amount of land necessary to support one extended family, as the Olde English word for a household, "higan", would seem to suggest a common etymology with "hi(gi)d". The name may also be a variant of the personal feminine name "Ida", with the inorganic "h" usually added to names beginning with a vowel. Avice atte Hyde was recorded in 1296 in the Subsidy Rolls of Sussex. Interesting namebearers include Edward Hyde (1609 - 1674), first earl of Clarendon, who was a supporter of Charles 1 and became secretary of state, lord chancellor and chief advisor to Charles 11 at the Restoration. Edward Hyde, Esq. popularly known as Lord Cornbury, was appointed Captain General and Governor-in-Chief of New York in 1701. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Robert de la Hyda, which was dated 1188, in the "Pipe Rolls of Dorset", during the reign of King Henry 11, known as "The Builder of Churches", 1154 - 1189. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spellingHyde Family Crest
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Notes - "His heirs used the Baggiley coat of arms, inverting the colors and adding a chevron. He married 1st Margaret Davenport, daughter of Sir John Davenport, by whom he had John and Roger, who are mentioned in the settlements of the Manor of Norbury and Half of Hyde, who appear to have died without issue. (This is where the lineage as given in Ormerod disagrees with Burke, who makes this son John the next in the line instead of William. Ormerod says that this pedigree appears to be the first draft of a pedigree from deeds, and the compiler seems to have gotten into considerable confusion in consequence of this John having a son John. This lineage will continue from Ormerod and following will be a copy of lineage as given by Burke in the 1939 edition of the Landed Gentry. E. E. W.) John Hyde married 2nd Ellen Baggiley, daughter of Sir William Baggiley, Knight, Lord of Baggiley and sister and co-heiress of her brother John, who d. s. p. in 1356. The Bagilley arms were: Or three lozenges azure. The Wife of John Hyde is sometimes erroneously called Isabel, which was the name of her sister, who married Sir John Legh, her own name being probably Ellen, as that is the name given to her sister by mistake. On this Sir John Hyde was settled by Sir William Baggiley, in the 13th of Edward ll, 1320, "the manor of Hyde" meaning most probably the other moiety of Hyde, which afterwards passed to the other sister, but he nevertheless obtained several estates by this marriage, and his sons John and Roger, by his 1st Wife, are mentioned in the settlements of these estates 12th of Edward ll and 31st of Edward lll. By Ellen Baggiley he had William, mentioned in the last settlement (but not as the son of Margaret), Ralph, John, Thomas and Robert who married Elizabeth Staveley. (This Robert is given in the direct line in Burke. E. E. W.) Sir John Hyde served under the Black Prince 30th of Edward lll, 1356. "
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